Postscript: since I wrote the piece below, I have been the target of various people who prefer to hide behind anonymous Twitter handles, abusing me for what I say below. For the anonymous haters, I have great pity: most of them seem to suffer from one or both of:
- a reading disorder, which prevents them from actually reading what I wrote; or
- an intellectual disability, which leads them to misunderstand what I wrote: in some cases, so completely that they attribute to me things which are the opposite of what I say below.
Still, it’s nice that they try.
So: let me make my position plain for the people who have been hurling abuse from behind the safety of an anonymous keyboard:
- I do NOT approve of attacks on gays, whether the attacks are motivated by religious belief, malice or hatred.
- I do NOT approve of extremist views – whether ostensibly justified by religious doctrine or any other ideology
- I do NOT adhere to any religion, although I was raised as an Anglican
- I do NOT disapprove of gay people: I think every human being should be able to live their own life, guided by their nature and instincts.
Furthermore, the things I wrote below were not supposed to cover every nuance of religious thinking, nor were they intended to exhaust the field of LGBTI issues. I tried to deal with a limited question posed by someone who seems very excitable, and who has been one of the chief abuse-hurlers. Specifically, it is worth remembering that I was persuaded to comment on things said by the Grand Mufti of Australia, in response to some specific things said by Sheikh Shady. I have no interest at all in chasing everything said by Sheikh Shady: I doubt I would agree with him on much.
Someone got very excited recently on Twitter about the fact that the Australian Grand Mufti, Dr Mohammed, dined at Kirribilli House with the Prime Minister and others recently.
The asserted cause of the excitement was a statement by Dr Mohammed regarding things said six years ago by Sheikh Shady about homosexuality.
This person told me I had to respond to the comments. I was on holidays at the time. I have now had a chance to research the matter. In fairness, I should say that I do not adhere to any religion, and I take a much more lenient view of homosexuality than any of the Abrahamic religions do. It seems that Sheikh Shady’s comments were confined to the likelihood of practising homosexuals contracting diseases, which is probably accurate as a matter of medical observation, and it seems that the Grand Mufti’s comments were accurate as a matter of religious doctrine.
In 2010 Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman said that Allah will give gay people ‘diseases that they have never experienced before … if you speak to a doctor – he’ll tell you the most terrifying disease come from what? From sexual activities… or also homosexuality that is spreading all these diseases.’
Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammed wrote a two page statement in which he said the sheikh had ‘simply conveyed a religious ruling. … Despite Islam’s long standing position on homosexuality, which no person can ever change, no matter who they are. … That which Sheikh Shady has said regarding homosexuality is simply a conveyance of a religious fact which is known to every practicing person in the Jewish, Christian and Muslim faiths.’
What Sheikh Shady said appears to have medical support.
What Dr Mohammed said is undoubtedly accurate. Here is the official position of various religions on the subject of homosexuality:
On being gay:
Christianity: not generally considered sinful in itself, though some see it as a purposeful perversion. Some accept it as a natural alternative, while others regard it as a non-chosen mental disorder akin to alcoholism.
Islam: Not generally condemned
Orthodox: Condemned as rebellion against God.
Conservative: Neither condemned nor affirmed.
Reform: Generally accepted as alternative.
On engaging in homosexual acts:
Christianity: Traditionally considered sinful. Many Christians and denominations continue to uphold this belief, while others have reconsidered it or in the process of doing so.
“A man shall not lie with another man as with a woman; it is an abomination.” -Leviticus 18:22
“Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” -Romans 1:27
Islam: Sinful and punishable under Islamic law.
Qur’an: “We also sent Lut: He said to his people: Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” -Qur’an 7:80-81
Orthodox: Strongly condemned.
Conservative: Violation of Jewish law, disqualifies from Jewish marriage and religious leadership.
Reform: Approved in context of committed relationship; civil marriage supported, but generally not religious marriage.
Bible: “A man shall not lie with another man as with a woman; it is an abomination.” -Leviticus 18:22
It seems that Sheikh Shady’s comments were accurate as a matter of medical observation and that the Grand Mufti’s comments were accurate as a matter of religious doctrine. That said, I do not agree with the official position of any of the Abrahamic religions on this issue.